20 complaints reported

2005 Honda Civic Engine

Owner-reported problems and safety issues filed with NHTSA. Review common failures, severity levels, and complaint trends over time.

Reports
20
Crashes
2
Fires
0
Injuries
0

Complaint Timeline

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Apr 2025

Pushrods going through engine and shredding bottom half of motor. I know many 05 Honda civic owners who have had the same issues

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jan 2025
Dec 2020

YELLOW WARNING LIGHT ON DASH. DIAGNOSTIC REPORTS FROM AUTOZONE INDICATED MISFIRE CODES OF 1, 3, 4, AND RANDOM MISFIRE. RADIATOR FLUID STARTED TO GO DOWN IN ENGINE WITHOUT DRAWING RADIATOR FLUID FROM THE RESERVOIR FOLLOWING A ROUTINE CHANGING OF THE ENGINE BELT IN JUNE 2020. MECHANIC FAILED TO REFILL THE RADIATOR RESERVOIR, BUT MECHANIC AND HONDA DEALERSHIP REPORT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE CAUSED A HEAD GASKET FAILURE. A SIMILAR PROBLEM OCCURRED WHEN THE CAR HAD 88,000 MILES ON IT, AND A MECHANIC IN SILICON VALLEY FAILED TO REHOOK UP THE RADIATOR RESERVOIR WHILE WORKING ON THE SRS. AFTER DRIVING 699 MILES TO PORTLAND, OR, THE CAR OVERHEATED ON A CITY STREET, WAS IMMEDIATELY STOPPED, AND TOWED TO A GARAGE. THE GARAGE FOUND RADIATOR FLUID TO BE LOW IN THE RADIATOR, REFILLED IT, LET IT IDLE FOR TWO HOURS, AND THE CAR WAS THEN DRIVEN TO SEATTLE, AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE BAY AREA AFTER THAT. WHILE CROSSING THE CALIFORNIA BORDER IN THE MOUNTAINS AND SNOW, THE HEAD GASKET COMPLETELY FAILED, AND THE CAR WAS NO LONGER DRIVEABLE. STATE PATROL GAVE ME A RIDE TO YREKA WHERE I PURCHASED A GALLON OF RADIATOR FLUID FROM BAXTER AUTO PARTS, AND LIMPED BACK TO THE BAY AREA TO HAVE A HEAD GASKET DONE AT THE COLLEGE OF ALAMEDA. THE MECHANIC WHO DID THE SRS REPORTS THE HOSE NOT BEING HOOKED UP WOULD NOT HAVE CAUSED THIS PROBLEM, AND THAT THIS CAR WAS MORE PRONE TO HEAD GASKET FAILURE. THE FACT THAT BOTH HEAD GASKETS FAILED WITH THE RESERVOIR NOT BEING HOOKED UP OR OPERABLE RAISES A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. I HAVE REPORTED THE PROBLEM TO HONDA AMERICA, BUT HONDA SAYS THEY HAVE NO FURTHER INFORMATION, NOR HAS A RECALL BEEN FILED. RESEARCH SUGGEST THAT HONDA CIVIC ENGINES FROM 2001-2005 HAVE A MUCH HIGHER INCIDENCE OF HEAD GASKET FAILURES, AND I AM WONDERING WHY HONDA HASN'T RECALLED THE HEAD GASKET?

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jun 2020
Dec 2019

OVERHEATING LEAD TO CRACKED BLOCK AND EVENTUALLY COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE. STARTING 2006-? THERE HAS BEEN A RECALL ON THESE ENGINES. AFTER LOOKING AT MANY HONDA CIVICS FOR SALE THIS SEEMS TO BE COMMON PROBLEM SPANNING MORE YEARS. I BELIEVE THE RECALL SHOULD BE EXPANDED.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jun 2019
Oct 2018

I PAID $4,200 IN A CASHIERS CHECK 9/12/2018 FOR A CAR. OWNER TOLD ME IT HAD BEEN TESTED AND LOOKED OVER BY HIS MECHANICS AND THAT IF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ENGINE OR TRANSMISSION OCCURRED THAT IT WAS UNDER A GUARANTEE. THE FOLLOWING DAY, 9/13/2018, I HEARD STRANGE SOUNDS FROM ENGINE AND CAR FREQUENTLY JERKED FORWARD. TOOK IT TO SOUTH TACOMA HONDA TO INSPECT VEHICLE FOR $143.13. WAS TOLD VALVES NEED TO BE ADJUSTED AND WOULD COST NEARLY $500. WENT TO DEALERSHIP AND THE MANAGER NAMED CHOCOLATE. TOLD ME TO TAKE CAR TO 161 GARAGE TO GET FIXED OVER WEEKEND. THAT MONDAY WAS TOLD THEY COULDN'T COMPLETE JOB AND TO HAVE HONDA COMPLETE JOB. CHOCOLATE RELUCTANTLY AGREED TO GET CAR TO HONDA TO HAVE THEM ADJUST THE VALVES AND HE WOULD PAY FOR IT WHEN IT WAS FINISHED. HE DID NOT SHOW BACK UP AND BOTH MYSELF AND THE HONDA SERVICE REPS HAD TO CALL HIM FOR PAYMENT. WORKED OUT PAYMENT IN THE MORNING IF HIS DEALERSHIP AGREED. HONDA REP CALLED DEALERSHIP ASKING REPEATEDLY FOR AN OWNER OR MANAGER AND NEVER GOT STRAIGHT ANSWER. WHEN EXPLAINING MY SITUATION AND INQUIRING AUTHORIZATION FOR PAYMENT FROM CHOCOLATE, PERSON ON PHONE FROM THE DEALERSHIP BEGAN BAD MOUTHING THEIR OWN EMPLOYEE SAYING HE WAS A NOBODY AND ADMITTED THEY LIED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE CAR TELLING THE HONDA REP 'SO WHAT.' WAS ABLE TO TAKE CAR BUT WAS TOLD ME TO RETURN IF THE PAYMENT WAS NOT MADE THE NEXT MORNING. THAT MORNING, 9/18/2018, MY GIRLFRIEND AGREED TO DRIVE ME TO WORK AND GO BACK IN IF HONDA CALLED. BUT CAR DIED ON THE FREEWAY NEARLY CAUSING ACCIDENT AND WAS HARD TO BRAKE. WE WERE LUCKY WE HAD BEEN CLOSE TO SHOULDER SO I COULD VEER AWAY FROM CARS AND OFF THE ROAD. WE HAD TO GET IT OFF THE FREEWAY AND HAVE IT TOWED TO THE HONDA IN RENTON COSTING ANOTHER $15. THEN $148.50 INSPECTION FEE FROM HONDA RENTON AFTER SERVICE REPS FOUND MAJOR ENGINE ISSUES WITH CYLINDER 3 CAUSING THE VALVES TO COME LOOSE OVERNIGHT.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Dec 2018
Dec 2015

K20A3 CAMSHAFT LOBES HAVE PITS/GALLING ON THEM. THEY MAKE A LOUD TICKING/TAPPING NOISE. POSSIBLE DECREASE IN GAS MILEAGE, POOR PERFORMANCE, AND RELIABILITY ISSUE. IF LEFT UNINTENDED COULD CAUSE FURTHER DAMAGE TO ENGINE. COMMON PROBLEM WITH THE K20A3 ENGINES MANUFACTURE DEFECT. HONDA SHOULD ADDRESS THIS.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Dec 2015
Jul 2015

ORIGINAL OEM SPARK PLUG CRACKED AND PIECES FELL INTO THE CYLINDER. THE CAR HAD A SEVER MISFIRE, LOSS OF POWER AND I HAD TO IMMEDIATELY PULL OFF OF THE ROAD. THE HONDA DEALERSHIP THE CAR WAS TOWED TO SAID THE CYLINDER WAS DAMAGED AND THE ENGINE SHOULD BE REPLACED. HONDA OF AMERICA BASICALLY SAID THAT THE CAR WAS OUT OF WARRANTY AND THAT THEY DID NOT WARRANTY THEIR ENGINES PAST 3 YEARS 36,000 MILES. EVEN THOUGH THE SPARK PLUG WAS WELL UNDER IT'S RECOMMENDED REPLACEMENT TIME, IT FAILED AND CREATED A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Sep 2014
Jul 2015

I WAS ON MY WAY TO SCHOOL , I HAD DRIVEN ABOUT 18 MILES FROM HOME AND HEARD A SCRUBBING SOUND THEN NOTICED SMOKE COMING FROM FRONT OF MY CAR. I IMMEDIATELY PULLED OFF THE ROAD AND TURNED ENGINE OFF. A CITY POLICEMAN STOPPED AND TOLD ME THE NAME OF A WRECKER SERVICE NEARBY. THE CAR WAS TOWED TO A GARAGE WHERE IT WAS PUT UP ON A LIFT . THE MECHANIC NOTED A PIECE OF METAL BULGING FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BLOCK LOOKING FROM UNDER THE CAR AND TOWARD THE FRONT..THERE WAS OIL SPLATTERS FROM THAT AREA ALSO. THE PIECE OF METAL CAME FROM BETWEEN THE BLOCK AND THE AIR CONDITIONER. THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN A DEFECT IN THE BLOCK FOR IT TO BREAK A PIECE OF THE BLOCK OFF IN THIS MANNER. THE PIECE WAS ABOUT 2 INCHES WIDE BY 4 INCHES LONG. WE HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW WHAT WAS FOUND. THERE WERE TWO MECHANIC WITNESSES PLUS A POLICEMAN THAT SAW THE DAMAGE.THE CAR WAS NOT RUNNING HOT NOR LOW IN OIL. THE BLOCK JUST A DEFECT. IF I HAD BEEN ON THE INTERSTATE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A SEVERE ACCIDENT DUE TO THE CAR COMING TO A SUDDEN STOP.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Apr 2015
Jun 2015

AFTER DRIVING ABOUT 20 MILES IN WARM DAY FROM SAN MATEO TO SAN FRANCISCO VIA I-101 THEN I-280 WITH A/C ON. THE VEHICLE CAME TO A TRAFFIC JAM ON HIGHWAY EXIT IN SF, THE SPEED WAS AT 30 MPH OR LESS AND THE ENGINE TEMPERATURE INCREASED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THE ENGINE HAD WATER BOILING SOUND AND RADIATOR FAN DID NOT CAME ON AFTER STOPPED ON A CITY STREET. THEN 2ND INCIDENT HAPPEN ON JULY 25 2015, AGAIN DRIVING FROM SAN MATEO I-101 > 92 > 238 > I-580 TO DUBLIN WITH WEATHER TEMPERATURE AT 90+ WITH A/C ON WHEN THE VEHICLE REACH TO SLOW SPEED AT FREEWAY EXT RAMP. THE ENGINE TEMPERATURE INCREASED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL. ONCE THE CAR STOPPED AT A CITY STREET THE ENGINE HAD BOILING WATER SOUND AND RADIATOR FAN DID NOT CAME ON. COOLANT IS FULL AS WELL AS THE RESERVE RESERVOIR . ON AUG 3 SAME THING HAPPENS AFTER REPLACING ENGINE THERMOSTAT AND RADIATOR FAN SWITCH. DRIVEN FROM MOUNTAIN VIEW VIA I-280 TO SAN CARLOS WITH A/C ON. THE ENGINE TEMPERATURE RAISED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND WATER BOILING SOUND CAME FROM ENGINE. AGAIN, COOLANT IS FULL AS WELL AS THE RESERVOIR.

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Apr 2015
Feb 2013

VEHICLE BLEW A HEAD GASKET AND OVER HEATED. PROBLEM BECAME PROGRESSIVELY WORSE, AND I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY RICK MARICHETTI AUTO THAT THIS PROBLEM IS COMMON WITH THE HONDA CIVIC EX 1.7 LITER ENGINE, AND THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM IS A MULTILAYER HEAD GASKET THAT HONDA USES. THIS VEHICLE SHOULD BE RECALLED, AND HONDA SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL NEW HEAD GASKETS THAT ARE NOT MULTILAYER. IN MY CASE, THE HEAD GASKET CREATED A SERIOUS ROAD HAZARD AND IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND A PLACE TO PULL OVER. AND THE PROBLEM HAPPENED WITH LITTLE NOTICE AT APPROXIMATELY 4300 FEET, WITH SNOW AND FREEZING COLD WEATHER. I HAD TO PAY ALMOST $800 TO HAVE THE VEHICLE FIXED, WITH NO GUARANTY THE PROBLEM WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. HONDA SHOULD HAVE RECALLED THE HEAD GASKETS A LONG TIME AGO. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Dec 2012
Feb 2010

THE NEED TO REPLACE 2 CATALYTIC CONVERTER DUE TO AN ENGINE LIGHT ERROR VEH CODE P2000 CAT EFFICIENCY. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Feb 2010
Feb 2010

REPLACE CAT CONVERTER ON HONDA CIVIC HYBRID WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE NOT COVERED BY WARRANTY. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jan 2010
May 2009

AT ONLY 4 YEARS OF AGE, MY HONDA CIVIC HYBRID NEEDS A NEW CATALYTIC CONVERTER AND IN SEARCHING THE INTERNET, COMING ACROSS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF POSTS ON VARIOUS WEB SITES, IT SEEMS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REPLACING THEIR HONDA CIVIC CATALYTIC CONVERTERS BEFORE THE CAR TURNS 5 YEARS OLD. THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PART, OVER $1200 TO REPLACE, SO WHY ISN'T THERE A RECALL ON THIS PART. IF IT IS NOT REPLACED IN CARS, I AM TOLD THAT THE CAR EMITS BAD GASES IN THE AIR. I LIVE IN A COUNTY WHERE EMISSIONS IS NOT PART OF THE INSPECTION, SO I WANT IT REPLACED, BUT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT. WITH THAT MANY GOING BAD, CAN'T THERE BE A RECALL SO THESE CARS DO NOT EMIT BAD GASES IN THE AIR??? *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: May 2009
Mar 2009

AFTER ABOUT 75,000 MILES ON MY 2005 HONDA CIVIC, I BEGAN TO NOTICE I GOT A HEADACHE AND UPSET STOMACH WHILE DRIVING THE CAR. THE LOCAL HONDA DEALER DISCOVERED A CRACKED EXHAUST MANIFOLD, AND INDICATED THE POSSIBILITY OF CARBON MONOXIDE ENTERING THE CABIN DURING VEHICLE OPERATION. I HAVE NOT YET REPAIRED THE CONDITION SINCE THE REPAIR COST IS VERY HIGH, ABOUT $1000. I HAVE SINCE HEARD THAT THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM WITH THIS VEHICLE, AND NOT A RESULT OF AGE OR ABUSE. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: May 2008
Jul 2008

AIR CONDITIONER CONDENSER IS NOT PROTECTED AND THE DEALER SAID EVEN SMALLEST PEBBLE CAN PUNCTURE. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jul 2008
Jun 2008

I HAVE HAD MY 2005 HONDA CIVIC FOR LESS THEN 5 MONTHS AND I HAVE ALREADY HAD TO REPLACE MY A/C CONDENSER ONCE IN MAY 08 AND I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN 6/08. IT COST ME ABOUT 500 TO 600 DOLLARS TO FIX THIS BECAUSE OF A DESIGN FLAW. THIS IS NOT MY FAULT I DON'T DRIVE LIKE A CRAZY PERSON. THIS IS A FLAW IN THE DESIGN AND HONDA SHOULD PAY FOR IT. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Jun 2008
Mar 2008

NEW 2005 HONDA CIVIC XL SPECIAL ADDITION 4-DOOR SEDAN PURCHASED FROM HONDA OF FORT MYERS 7-21-05. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER PURCHASE MALFUNCTION LIGHT ON THE DASH INDICATING A PROBLEM WITH THE EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM BEGAN TO LIGHT UP. IT WAS ON ALL THE TIME. THE MANUAL STATED THAT YOU SHOULD GO TO THE DEALER IMMEDIATELY AND HAVE IT CHECKED IF THIS HAPPENS AS CONTINUED OPERATION MAY CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE. WE HAD THE CAR IN THE SHOP ON 4 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS 8-20-05, 8-30-05, 12-22-06, 5-9-07. THE LIGHT WOULD GO OUT FOR 2-3 DAYS AFTER BEING WORKED ON IN THE SHOP AND COME BACK ON. THIS HAS BEEN AN EXTREME SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION AND CONCERN. THE CAR HAS DEVELOPED AN ADDITIONAL SYMPTOM OF STUMBLING AND LOSING POWER WHEN TRYING TO BLEND INTO TRAFFIC. WE HAVE JUST LIVED WITH THIS THINKING "WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO". BUT I'M CONVINCED THAT SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE KNOWS WHAT TO DO TO FIX THIS. I AM GOING TO MAKE IT MY PROJECT TO WORK TOWARD THAT END. THANKS FOR ANY ASSISTANCE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO OFFER. IF WE COULD GET A FACTORY REPRESENTATIVE TO SHOW UP AT THE DEALER TO GET THEM TO FIX IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. *TR

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Sep 2007
Mar 2007 Crash

I WAS TRAVELING ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY WHEN I NOTICED THE ENGINE REVVING HIGH. I LOOKED AT THE SHIFTER AND NOTICED I WAS IN S SO I PUSHED THE SHIFTER INTO DRIVE AND THE CAR DIED RIGHT IN THE FAST LANE OF AN EXTREMELY BUSY HIGHWAY. I LOOKED IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR AND SAW CARS JUST SWERVING, SCREECHING ,ETC. I DID GET CLIPPED ON THE RIGHT REAR, NOT ONLY WAS I VERY LUCKY, BUT I WAS FORTUNATE NONE OF THE OTHER VEHICLES WRECKED INTO EACH OTHER. I HAVE READ BOTH ON THIS LINK AND EDMUNDS OF PEOPLE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THESE 2005 HONDA CIVIC HYBRIDS DYING WHEN PUT INTO DRIVE. I STILL NEED TO TAKE IT TO HONDA, BUT I NEED TO TAKE IT TO THE BODY SHOP AS IT IS NOT EXACTLY DRIVABLE.*AK

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Mar 2007
Sep 2006

I WAS DRIVING MY 2005 HONDA CIVIC HOME ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CAR JUST WENT DEAD, I DRIFTED TO THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD AND SAT FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES, THEN I TRIED TO START THE CAR IT STARTED, ABOUT 4 MILES DOWN THE ROAD AND THE CAR WENT DEAD AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED 4 TIME IN A MATTER OF ABOUT 15 MILES. I DROVE THE CAR TO THE DEALERSHIP. MONDAY MORNING THEY CALLED AND SAID THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG. *NM

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Sep 2006
May 2006 Crash

WHILE TRAVELING DOWN THE HIGHWAY I HIT A DEER HEAD ON. THE DEER DESTROYED MUCH OF MY FRONT END BUT THE MOTOR WAS STILL GOING . I APPLIED THE BRAKES AND AFTER ABOUT 15 SECONDS THE CAR STARTED TO ACCELERATE AND COULDN'T BE STOPPED. SINCE IT WAS A HYBRID IT FELT LIKE THE ELECTRIC MOTOR KICKED IN FOR SOME STRANGE REASON AND THE CAR COULDN'T BE STOPPED. IN ORDER TO STOP THE CAR I PUT IT IN TO PARK WHILE IT WAS MOVING. THE CAR CONTINUED TO TRY AND ACCELERATE BUT SINCE IT WAS IN PARK IT WAS JUST MOVING SLOWLY TO A STOP. ALTHOUGH THIS WASN'T DEADLY FOR ME IT COULD HAVE BEEN IF I WASN'T ON THE HIGHWAY OR IF I WAS KNOCKED OUT. I DON'T THINK A CAR SHOULD ACCELERATE FOR NO REASON. *NM

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: May 2006
Jan 2006

DT*: THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE MAKES NOISE UPON COLD STARTS WHILE ACCELERATING. THE NOISE DISCONTINUES AFTER THE VEHICLE WARMS UP IN THE MORNING. THE NOISE FIRST APPEARED IN NOVEMBER 2005. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A DEALER TWICE CONCERNING THE PROBLEM WHERE THE HEATING SHIELD, W-CONVERTER; FLEXIBLE GASKET, PRE-CHAMBER CONVERTER AND CATALYTIC CONVERTER WERE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE IS BEING RETURNED TO THE SERVICE DEALER FOR A THIRD TIME CONCERNING THE ONGOING PROBLEM TODAY. UPDATD 02/28/06

Type: Vehicle, Vehicle: 2005 HONDA CIVIC, Manufacturer: Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Incident: Dec 2005

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The 2005 Honda Civic has 20 Engine complaints on file. 2 crashes have been reported. Review the timeline above for detailed owner experiences.